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	<title>Comments on: On the significance of suffering</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would agree with is that Rand had a strong tendency in certain contexts to deny or attempt to whitewash the reality of suffering.  Her heroes would have a happy moment and think, &quot;the suffering wasn&#039;t really real.&quot;  That&#039;s not an exact quote, but it&#039;s close.  

And, when her heroes did suffer, they weren&#039;t particularly kind toward themselves with respect to it.  Roark observed his suffering like a sadistic &quot;executioner,&quot; if I remember correctly.  He would smile at it.  

These days I am a proponent of recognizing the reality of suffering as a some-times part of life, and an always potential part of life.  I see a lot, not just in Rand, but in the new age world, of attempts to deny that simple fact.  (&quot;Everything happens for a reason&quot; and so on.)

Also, I think it&#039;s unhealthy when suffering to be self-punitive or masochistic.  Some people think suffering is shameful and punish themselves in order to feel right by themselves; to me this is just adding insult to injury, and blocks the natural healing and re-adjustment process.

So in that sense I think the issue of suffering is important: I think denials of it lie at the root of many problems.  

I do wonder, though, if this gets at what you are talking about.  I sense you may be referring to something more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would agree with is that Rand had a strong tendency in certain contexts to deny or attempt to whitewash the reality of suffering.  Her heroes would have a happy moment and think, &#8220;the suffering wasn&#8217;t really real.&#8221;  That&#8217;s not an exact quote, but it&#8217;s close.  </p>
<p>And, when her heroes did suffer, they weren&#8217;t particularly kind toward themselves with respect to it.  Roark observed his suffering like a sadistic &#8220;executioner,&#8221; if I remember correctly.  He would smile at it.  </p>
<p>These days I am a proponent of recognizing the reality of suffering as a some-times part of life, and an always potential part of life.  I see a lot, not just in Rand, but in the new age world, of attempts to deny that simple fact.  (&#8220;Everything happens for a reason&#8221; and so on.)</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s unhealthy when suffering to be self-punitive or masochistic.  Some people think suffering is shameful and punish themselves in order to feel right by themselves; to me this is just adding insult to injury, and blocks the natural healing and re-adjustment process.</p>
<p>So in that sense I think the issue of suffering is important: I think denials of it lie at the root of many problems.  </p>
<p>I do wonder, though, if this gets at what you are talking about.  I sense you may be referring to something more.</p>
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		<title>By: Amod Lele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amod Lele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The significance of suffering seems more like a truism to me, but maybe that&#039;s just a reflection of being immersed in Buddhist texts for so long. We suffer plenty in this world, not much less than in BCE India. Most notably, while modern medicine prevents a lot, it doesn&#039;t prevent death - not ours, nor our loved ones&#039;, which happen all with every bit as much certainty as they did in the Buddha&#039;s time. What may be different in this age is that we are so far removed from death that we blind ourselves to the reality of it. I had a brief musing on that subject a while ago: http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/in-praise-of-the-culture-of-death/

On a more everyday level, most of us suffer greatly from things that wouldn&#039;t seem like big deals: traffic jams, malfunctioning computers, misplaced possessions. We fill ourselves with anger and fear and despair, unless we can find ways to be vigilant about making ourselves happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The significance of suffering seems more like a truism to me, but maybe that&#8217;s just a reflection of being immersed in Buddhist texts for so long. We suffer plenty in this world, not much less than in BCE India. Most notably, while modern medicine prevents a lot, it doesn&#8217;t prevent death &#8211; not ours, nor our loved ones&#8217;, which happen all with every bit as much certainty as they did in the Buddha&#8217;s time. What may be different in this age is that we are so far removed from death that we blind ourselves to the reality of it. I had a brief musing on that subject a while ago: <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/in-praise-of-the-culture-of-death/" rel="nofollow">http://loveofallwisdom.com/2009/06/in-praise-of-the-culture-of-death/</a></p>
<p>On a more everyday level, most of us suffer greatly from things that wouldn&#8217;t seem like big deals: traffic jams, malfunctioning computers, misplaced possessions. We fill ourselves with anger and fear and despair, unless we can find ways to be vigilant about making ourselves happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Daoust</title>
		<link>http://www.muditajournal.com/archives/611.php#comment-60728</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Daoust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read with interest several comments to &quot;Does Suffering Build Character?&quot;, but for me the whole answer to the question of suffering has to be collective as well as individual. Buddhism is certainly useful in responding to &quot;whole areas of life that we may be blind to&quot;, but the appropriate answer, again, cannot be only in Buddhism.

Your old &quot;Buddhism and Suffering&quot; post invited to &quot;Consider how many different professions are almost &#039;entirely&#039; dedicated to addressing, treating, or responding to significant forms of suffering.&quot;. And your post asked &quot;Have these professions succeed, in the modern world, at eliminating the problem of suffering?&quot; The problem IMHO, to put it shortly, is that no profession, no religion, nothing until now has been dedicated &#039;entirely&#039; to addressing suffering. That is why I propose that we develop an &#039;algonomy&#039;, a work area concerned with suffering, the whole of suffering, and nothing but suffering, as explained at http://www.algosphere.org/indexen.htm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read with interest several comments to &#8220;Does Suffering Build Character?&#8221;, but for me the whole answer to the question of suffering has to be collective as well as individual. Buddhism is certainly useful in responding to &#8220;whole areas of life that we may be blind to&#8221;, but the appropriate answer, again, cannot be only in Buddhism.</p>
<p>Your old &#8220;Buddhism and Suffering&#8221; post invited to &#8220;Consider how many different professions are almost &#8216;entirely&#8217; dedicated to addressing, treating, or responding to significant forms of suffering.&#8221;. And your post asked &#8220;Have these professions succeed, in the modern world, at eliminating the problem of suffering?&#8221; The problem IMHO, to put it shortly, is that no profession, no religion, nothing until now has been dedicated &#8216;entirely&#8217; to addressing suffering. That is why I propose that we develop an &#8216;algonomy&#8217;, a work area concerned with suffering, the whole of suffering, and nothing but suffering, as explained at <a href="http://www.algosphere.org/indexen.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.algosphere.org/indexen.htm</a>.</p>
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