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	<title>Comments on: Are Mormons Happier than Objectivists?</title>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Mormon objectivist and find your question fascinating.

You may be interested to know that Joseph Smith taught the primacy of existence; reason over faith, etc.

Everything in Mormonism, including claims to God&#039;s power/knowledge is rooted in existence or reality.

Mormonism teaches that God exists, has always existed, inside reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Mormon objectivist and find your question fascinating.</p>
<p>You may be interested to know that Joseph Smith taught the primacy of existence; reason over faith, etc.</p>
<p>Everything in Mormonism, including claims to God&#8217;s power/knowledge is rooted in existence or reality.</p>
<p>Mormonism teaches that God exists, has always existed, inside reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.muditajournal.com/archives/361.php#comment-59662</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the bigger problems I&#039;ve seen with many who call themselves Objectivists is that they have a litany of things they&#039;re set against, but place little emphasis on what they&#039;re for. This isn&#039;t a problem with Objectivism itself, as Objectivism is a very positive philosophy. Rather, I think the problem is in the libertarian introduction many receive.

Libertarianism is generally a big tent party of &quot;no!&quot; If there are enough things you don&#039;t want, you can usually find a home in popular libertarianism. This kind of negativism can be very corrosive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the bigger problems I&#8217;ve seen with many who call themselves Objectivists is that they have a litany of things they&#8217;re set against, but place little emphasis on what they&#8217;re for. This isn&#8217;t a problem with Objectivism itself, as Objectivism is a very positive philosophy. Rather, I think the problem is in the libertarian introduction many receive.</p>
<p>Libertarianism is generally a big tent party of &#8220;no!&#8221; If there are enough things you don&#8217;t want, you can usually find a home in popular libertarianism. This kind of negativism can be very corrosive.</p>
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		<title>By: James Heaps-Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.muditajournal.com/archives/361.php#comment-51781</link>
		<dc:creator>James Heaps-Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

There are a number of reasons I think Objectivism is not a comprehensive solution for happiness. I&#039;ll list a few below:

1. Objectivism stresses the study of philosophy. While philosophy is important, most individual people have much more to gain by perfecting a career and the nuts and bolts of dealing with external reality. This doesn&#039;t invalidate Objectivism as a philosophy, it simply means it won&#039;t solve our worldly problems and doesn&#039;t substitute for thinking and individual achievement. All of these things are stressed in Rand&#039;s artistic credo, but can be lost in the study of her philoophy. Mormonism has a strong career ethos that rivals Objectivism.

2. Most social skills and social interaction are learned in a completely different way than &quot;rational thinking&quot;. We have mirror neurons that mimic and emulate. Family structure and positive role models are important because they get at how we really learn social behavior. Nurturing families are a cornerstone of Mormonism. Interestingly, Rand also places a high value on heroes. We should choose our heroes carefully and have them in many different realms of life because this is how we really learn most interpersonal behavior.

3. Control of consciousness issues aren&#039;t touched on in Objectivism at all. People have a whole set of neuropsychological inclinations that were framed by our evolutionary history and have nothing to do with a successful life in modern society. How we deal with these evolutionary appetites and inclinations has a lot to do with how happy we are. Religion is not just primitive philosophy, it is also a primitive psychological adaptation to stressful environments and the unknown.

I don&#039;t think the above issues are a problem for Objectivism as a philosophy. However, they are a problem for Objectivism as a social phenomenon and movement. They also point up many problems for people who are drawn to Objectivism as a kind of personal validation. Many of the struggles depicted in Rand&#039;s novels are not accompanied by workable coping mechanisms in the philosophy.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>There are a number of reasons I think Objectivism is not a comprehensive solution for happiness. I&#8217;ll list a few below:</p>
<p>1. Objectivism stresses the study of philosophy. While philosophy is important, most individual people have much more to gain by perfecting a career and the nuts and bolts of dealing with external reality. This doesn&#8217;t invalidate Objectivism as a philosophy, it simply means it won&#8217;t solve our worldly problems and doesn&#8217;t substitute for thinking and individual achievement. All of these things are stressed in Rand&#8217;s artistic credo, but can be lost in the study of her philoophy. Mormonism has a strong career ethos that rivals Objectivism.</p>
<p>2. Most social skills and social interaction are learned in a completely different way than &#8220;rational thinking&#8221;. We have mirror neurons that mimic and emulate. Family structure and positive role models are important because they get at how we really learn social behavior. Nurturing families are a cornerstone of Mormonism. Interestingly, Rand also places a high value on heroes. We should choose our heroes carefully and have them in many different realms of life because this is how we really learn most interpersonal behavior.</p>
<p>3. Control of consciousness issues aren&#8217;t touched on in Objectivism at all. People have a whole set of neuropsychological inclinations that were framed by our evolutionary history and have nothing to do with a successful life in modern society. How we deal with these evolutionary appetites and inclinations has a lot to do with how happy we are. Religion is not just primitive philosophy, it is also a primitive psychological adaptation to stressful environments and the unknown.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the above issues are a problem for Objectivism as a philosophy. However, they are a problem for Objectivism as a social phenomenon and movement. They also point up many problems for people who are drawn to Objectivism as a kind of personal validation. Many of the struggles depicted in Rand&#8217;s novels are not accompanied by workable coping mechanisms in the philosophy.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Grieb</title>
		<link>http://www.muditajournal.com/archives/361.php#comment-4473</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Grieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a very small minority of Mormans practice polygamy.  I think there maybe something to prayer in the contentment it  brings that maybe a better explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a very small minority of Mormans practice polygamy.  I think there maybe something to prayer in the contentment it  brings that maybe a better explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Zader</title>
		<link>http://www.muditajournal.com/archives/361.php#comment-4462</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Zader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, polygamy was the first thing that popped into my mind, too.  But somehow that didn&#039;t make it into the final copy...  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, polygamy was the first thing that popped into my mind, too.  But somehow that didn&#8217;t make it into the final copy&#8230;  <img src='http://www.muditajournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Sontag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Sontag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had a dozen wives, you&#039;d be much happier too! ;-)

Just kidding, of course. I know Kathy is enough woman to make a dozen men happy. :)</description>
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<p>Just kidding, of course. I know Kathy is enough woman to make a dozen men happy. <img src='http://www.muditajournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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